Posts by Giles Gray

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I need some help

by Akid48 in

well let me start with my age is 13 and i have been thinking about this jw thing and i need help i just dont know if i want to be one any more.. the help i need is some one to send me some links to places i can research i just dont know if i want to study with a jw any more..

Giles Gray

Akid48:-"thats is what i got a lot A LOT"

Phew! That's tough.

You are doing phenomenally well to stand up to that.

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I need some help

by Akid48 in

well let me start with my age is 13 and i have been thinking about this jw thing and i need help i just dont know if i want to be one any more.. the help i need is some one to send me some links to places i can research i just dont know if i want to study with a jw any more..

Giles Gray

@ Akid48

Firstly, I would like to say congratulations on being smart enough and strong enough to call into question the JW religion at such a young age. Very impressive.

Please understand that it is very difficult for anyone to give you advice due to your age and not knowing in detail your circumstances.

From what you have said so far, it seems that you are doing things correctly by learning about the alternative perspectives the Jehovah's Witnesses don't teach you. The more you learn the easier it will be for you to see through the illusion of it all.

If your aunt is your legal guardian, it might be advisable not to confront her about your doubts right now. In fact, you might want to keep your doubts from everybody as it could cause them to work harder to get you to conform.

Coming off the ministry school might be a good idea. You could always make the excuse that you find it a little intimidating. That was the excuse I used when I was your age and it worked fine.

You are going to need lots of support to help you through this, so keep posting on here as much as you can. I'm sure people here will be delighted to be of assistance.

It is also very important that you make a friends network outside of the religion. This might prove to be difficult as it is so discouraged by the JWs.

I'm so sorry that you are having to face this at your age, but I hope you can realise how well you are doing to be able to see through this religion at the tender age of 13.

JW Facts is a great site for the information you are looking for. Just take your time and don't rush anything.

I look forward to reading your future posts and it would be great to hear about what you learn from your research.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

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Am I selfish?

by Jules Saturn in

tonight i had an argument with both my parents.

my parents are aware of my feelings towards the organization, and it saddens them because i am their first born son.

they had high expectations of me, my father dreamt of him and i serving together as elders.

Giles Gray

Guilt is the result of years of doctrinal conditioning and mind control. The feeling is common among people who break free from high control groups.

Many people experience the feelings of guilt even outside of a scenario like you are having with your family.

Part of the healing process is getting past these feelings of guilt. The way to do that is by focusing on rationalisation and logic, as well as realising that the feeling of guilt is a normal emotion to experience when you are exiting a religion like the JWs.

The intensity of what you are feeling right now is what keeps many people locked within the organisation.

The good news is it does get easier, as you learn to distinguish what emotions you should be feeling from the ones that have been imposed on you through indoctrination.

It is not selfish to take back your mind from these people, even if you experience the feeling that it is. Don't forget that they selfishly stole your mind in the first place with lies and deceit.

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I went Elder Hunting yesterday!

by Tight Pants Twinkle Toes in

win my first post i introduced you to tweedle dee and tweedle dum, ( surprise elders visit ).

well last sunday night i got phone call from t- dum, he informed me that t-dee was listening in, no doubt practicing his short hand.

t-dum went on to say how he was concerned that we were making the biggest mistake of our lives, yada yada.

Giles Gray

"I never thought that hunting was that much fun"

There are not many greater pleasures.

Great story.

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Brainwashing Runs Deep in my Family

by Freesoul in

i have successfully faded but my dad can't help but witness to me, so i have decided to do my research and answer him from the bible when he tries to get his point across.. so on my last visit to my parents house, he was trying to tell me that the jw's have the right religion because they go house to house, and got me to read luke chapter 10, so as he is reading it i said, isn't this interesting because in verse 7 says says don't from from house to house.. he couldn't cope with it and started saying i am taking it out of context, i replied this is what the scripture says.

even when it is written in black and white and they are the ones quoting the scriptures they still can see it.. he then said that i am unwilling to see the truth and could not talk any longer, go figure..

Giles Gray

" He then said that I am unwilling to see the truth..."

Au contraire!

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Dunkirk.

by zeb in

i have just seen the film "dunkirk".

do yourselves a big favour and go see it.

(not for kids).

Giles Gray

If an accordion works the same on deer as it does on cattle, it might be very useful for deer hunting.

https://youtu.be/IypL_EcI9XE

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Jupiter protects the earth... another example of intellectual dishonesty and an argument against design

by cognisonance in

i'm taking a university astronomy course, and i must say it's really fun to read about this field.

anyway, i remember the jws used to use jupiter (and probably still do) as an example for how unique and special our solar system is (and thus designed) -- namely, that jupiter protects the earth from astroids, comets, and meteors.

convincing if one doesn't know any better, especially circa 1994 when jupiter stepped in front of a comet for us... but this isn't the full story!

Giles Gray

Waton:-" Creating a self-designing, self-evolving universe is not easy,..... you try it."

And god saw that it was good... that good he designed it to self-destruct.

Tick tock tick tock...

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Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

by cofty in

#1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

Giles Gray

Perry:-" Sorry guys, my challenges & questions are directed toward Cofty, the author of this thread. Still waiting Cofty"

I think you have a long wait ahead of you Perry, as i don't suppose Cofty relishes the thought of demeaning himself by condescending to your level of childish antics.

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Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

by cofty in

#1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

Giles Gray

Perry:-" Why hasn't he addressed any of the issues that I have raised? Why even start a thread if you are not going to apply the ideas the thread is about? In other words, why not test the ideas? Unless he is afraid to."

You are the biggest culprit for running away afraid Perry. As soon as you are out of your depth in a debate, off you trot, never to return.

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Evolution is a Fact - Index of Parts 1 - 40

by cofty in

#1 protein functional redundancy comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things..

#2 dna functional redundancy comparison of the dna that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy..

#3 ervs endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins..

Giles Gray

Perry:-" Here you go to the other extreme and pretend to be too intelligent and so are not required to provide any evidence what-so-ever for your ridiculous claims since no one can understand them."

Some of us do understand and enjoy these posts.

Maybe it's just you who doesn't understand them Perry... whether wilfully or otherwise?

You have shown many times the depth of your ignorance and have scurried away from numerous debates because of your lack of knowledge or your inability to apply logic.

Is this the reason why you are now getting someone else to argue in place of you?